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Floris  
#1 Posted : 26 July 2019 16:52:39(UTC)
Rank: Newbie

Posts: 2
Location: Groningen

I just bought a P21 (#44) and just picked her up and sailed her to the new harbour and I do have a couple of questions to begin with and I hope you guys are able to help me out.

The original keel winch handle is missing and the former owner used a general tool from the hardware store which is not really convenient; takes forever to raise/lower the keel. Is it possible to get a replacement handle? Went to several sailing stores but none was able to help me out. Or is a easy to replace (by myself) the winch with the rope system that is used for later built boats?

Also I was wondering what the total height with a raised mast is, I guess it is around 11 meters? I do have the original documentation but could not find the total height.

Further the boat came with a 4 stroke 4 hp Mercury which is not powerful enough for the waters I will be mainly sailing. The plan is to sail at the Waddensea where we have tides and currents so a bit power would be nice. Recommended in the original documents is between 4 and 6 hp but friends with other similar size boats say that 6 hp is doing the job but in rough waters a bit more would be nice. Would a 8hp (or possible 10hp?) be too much? And since I will be drying out a lot as well so I assume I should go for a short shaft instead of a long shaft?

Thanks in advance for you help!

Regards,

Floris

Matthias.kro  
#2 Posted : 04 August 2019 19:25:03(UTC)
Rank: Member

Posts: 7

Hey Floris,

congratulations to your Parker 21.

My 21 is lying in Lemmer, Bruce told me there shall be about 15 in the netherlands and 15 in germany.

On mine I use the stb. sheet winch on deck for keel hauling up. I use the handle from the winch - no problem. Do you have an extra winch for hauling up the keel?

The mast is about 8m long and it stands about 1m above waterline on deck so hight is about 9m.

I have a 4hp Mercury too and I think you are right it‘s not too strong to use it in Waddensea.

But the board for the motor is only screwed to the deck with four thin screwes on its downside - not perfect for powerhandling. I think the Sikka will do most of the powerhandling so 8hp is a lot for it.

And there ist not much place to stern. And the hole in the hull is just wide enough to get the prop form the 4hp through. Wirh a bigger diameter....

But you can get the same Mercury with 6 hp. I don‘t know if it‘s possible to modify the 4hp to 6hp.

I use the longshaft too. It is just long enough. The short shaft will not work well I think.

The draft of 21 is about 25cm with keel and rudder hauled up. The deepest point of the motor will not be deeper (on mine).

Best regards,

Matthias

Scoglietto
Floris  
#3 Posted : 04 August 2019 22:37:25(UTC)
Rank: Newbie

Posts: 2
Location: Groningen

Hi Matthias,

Thanks for your reply and your answers and my previous boat was docked in Lemmer ;) Sailed a Sigma 362 for 15 years but it was time for a change so decided to down size. And there are a lot of similarities the way Sigma's and Parker's are built, same rail(s), same handles etc....so everything feels familiar already :)

I also have the winch on deck but the original handle is missing so I now have to use a tool from the hardware store which not works really well and I have searched the internet for a replacement but so far without any luck. I did find a handle from a sunscreen winch which might work but don't know yet if that would fit. You still have the original handle?

And longshaft it is :) Good point about the size of the hole in the hull and the construction of the board, did not think about that. Will measure the hole next time and see what motors will fit and have a look at the board as well. Today I went sailing and 4 is definitely not enough but maybe 6 will do. The boats of the friends I mentioned in my posts are heavier than a P21 so maybe I will go for a 6 instead of 8. Do you know if anyone with a P21 has a motor which is more than 6hp? Advice from the experts are always the best :)

Thanks,

Floris

peter lowry  
#4 Posted : 11 August 2019 21:46:36(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member

Posts: 221
Location: Hedge End, Hampshire

Hello Floris and Matthias.

Great to hear from our Dutch and German Parker and Seal owners

I am the recently elected Commodore of the Parker and Seal Sailing association.

My reason for this is post is to ask you to consider joining the PSSA, this is not a plug to increase revenue but to keep track as to who owns and where our fleet are moored/kept in the works. Membership is only £12 for single and £15 for joint ( cheaper as you have euros !)

Matthias you mentioned there are about 30 Boats in Holland and Gremany,it would be great to welcome them into the fleet.

As you may be aware we send a handbook with with all members and 3 newsletter per year along with a great website for all to lean information from.

I look forward to welcoming you to our Association

Thank you for your time

Peter Lowry

Commodore

Parker and Seal Sailing Association.

Sophia P275 # 53

Edited by user 11 August 2019 21:48:45(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Matthias.kro  
#5 Posted : 20 August 2019 17:53:25(UTC)
Rank: Member

Posts: 7

Hey Floris,

I measured my handle - here is the specification:

Middle of the two axis: 200mm

Diameter of the star (widest points): 25mm

I think you‘ll find a handle from Lewmar.

Hope that helps.

4hp are written on the nameplate in my 21.

And think about the wight. The 6hp is the same in weight as the 4hp is.

I heared there are some in the netherlands with a diesel on board but I don‘t know if they have more than 6hp. But more weight and less place ;-).

Best,

Matthias

Scoglietto
Matthias.kro  
#6 Posted : 20 August 2019 17:54:03(UTC)
Rank: Member

Posts: 7

Hey Floris,

I measured my handle - here is the specification:

Middle of the two axis: 200mm

Diameter of the star (widest points): 25mm

I think you‘ll find a handle from Lewmar.

Hope that helps.

4hp are written on the nameplate in my 21.

And think about the wight. The 6hp is the same in weight as the 4hp is.

I heared there are some in the netherlands with a diesel on board but I don‘t know if they have more than 6hp. But more weight and less place ;-).

Best,

Matthias

Scoglietto
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